Tummo

@ desertlizard: the lama thing is not so much a problem, what hurts more is the medical pride the maximum i can offer here is, that in the relative world the size of the uteri is relative and that they may have shrinked since i learned about them, because everything was bigger and better then it's a lie but you don't want me to get an erectile dysfunction, do you?

to reestablish my authority please everybody meditate ten minutes on me as your root lama, first idealise me uninhibited and then identify completely with me, this will help to create the necessary dependency i need to become functional again

Choose if the chakra is where the reproduction organ is or if there is no real organic analogon. (I would take the last)

@ end in sight: please open your sneezethread to explain there the whole story how you managed to examine the change of sneeze over the years while you don't notice anything special in it and how you invented the sneeze-time-course in sneezology and i will explain how the tibetans think that a short very forced outbreath through the nose can make the energies stop and how some perception-processes set out for a moment.

I got the impression that there is still an interest in how to handle sideeffects or unwanted emotions, that's why I uploaded some instructional videos to vimeo.

They are about a technique that can be used easily by everybody to get rid of unwanted emotions or to help others to do so. It's well combinable with a spiritual life, so it won't interfere with your practice. Don't be alienated by the 90ies style of the video, there are more modern filmed versions but I can't upload them at the moment. It's a must to know this technique.

So if you sit the next time in the airplane and the guy next to you gets his panic attack, you know what to do. You can also watch the other videos on my vimeopage filmed by the same team with casestudies, I will upload more in the future and you don't have to pay thousands of dollars for the seminars. It's funny and interesting at the same time.

Here is the link where you can begin: vimeo.com/31293108

LocoAustriaco,
What do you do if you get cloudy in the head, a bit spaced out and stupid?
(This is how I feel, not perhaps other's impressions)

San_Raal.

PS. Did something similar when i was sleeping a couple of weeks ago. Was freezing to death, got an erection and the energy gave me an orgasm. Suddenly I felt something flex in my pelvis, without me flexing the muscles in the perineum/anus at all. A ball of energy travelled through my body which immediately became hot. DS.

Thank you for the very nice private messages guys! don't worry I will keep posting. One of you sent me a pdf out of my post, I mean how nice is that ... I will try to answer them soon

"LocoAustriaco,
What do you do if you get cloudy in the head, a bit spaced out and stupid?
(This is how I feel, not perhaps other's impressions)

San_Raal.

PS. Did something similar when i was sleeping a couple of weeks ago. Was freezing to death, got an erection and the energy gave me an orgasm. Suddenly I felt something flex in my pelvis, without me flexing the muscles in the perineum/anus at all. A ball of energy travelled through my body which immediately became hot. DS."

diagnosis: uprising energy but only a part in the central channel. points to a problem for the organism letting energies flow down outside the channel over the front side. very common for beginners.

If energy rises up inside the central channel it creates cleanness, and when coming down bliss (or what in the tibetan system is called 4 blisses).

If it rises up outside the channel it creates feelings and normal emotions (associated in our culture with male qualities) like f.e. activity, aggression, taking control of something. etc. (notice how your backmuscles get activated, when someone attacks and you make yourself big and start to walk like a gorilla, the body activates them to get ready to do or fight something, if you have a good self perception you can also feel the energy go from the back to the muscles in your shoulders and arms ready to hit somebody, you can feel it in the hands fingertips (associated with doing) when adrenalin rushes in.

(Insertion: Forearms: If you have itching in the forearms after doing tummo - a very common problem - it could be a probably longer suppressed aggressions which ended in anesthesia/lameness of the muscles. making a fist, when you get aggressive is a transcultural unconscious reflex that can be seen even in youngest children, it's not really psychological. these muscles have the function to "make fists or do something about it", they are located in the forearms and not so much in the hands and have been numbed to not feel the chronic tensions and conflict and keep the rest of the system functioning. you feel that live is coming back into them through tummo. if strong it can drive you crazy because the conflict of "want to do/but don't allow yourself" becomes conscious again. it usually disappears with time. you can also use catharsis to get rid of it.)

if the energy goes down outside the central channel it takes the front side of the body and creates love, surrender, giving up, giving in, letting go. you might have experienced when everything gets too much the body starts to cry (shaking of the chest, diaphragm and belly) to get rid of held back energy on the front side and create a flow down to the ground (grounding, getting in contact with reality again, standing on your own feet). same movements when you start to laugh. feel the release of tension in it. realize also the bliss after crying or laughing long and fully. it's related to state we are looking for.

All this has to do with the times when we were standing on 4 feet and exposed the back to the environment and the sensitive belly to the ground to hide it from aggressors (easy to get to the organs there, predators like to attack there). when we got on 2 feet we had to expose our vulnerable front also and became human meaning to be vulnerable and sensitive without having to hide it. we still show love by letting our frontsides and hearts touch when we embrace somebody.

there is balance in the organism if the same amount of energy can flow up as can flow down, if the ability to charge up is the same as to discharge. Lets say 10 units rising up, 3 in the central channel, means 7 left. if one can discharge only 4 units through the ability to let go/give in to the process, there are 3 units left to create all kinds of psychosomatic symptoms. they remain in muscles and vesselcontractions, discharge through nerves tingling, or produce other symptoms and whatever normally happens when feelings are not allowed to be expressed (discharged) or perceived.

Try to get a session with kenneth to get a feeling for mahamudra or practice his methods first. other than this, his way is rather free from sideffects. it is very useful to have the neurons connected in the right pattern before you make an energy highway out of the thin paths. if you want to do it the energetic way only because of the nice snow melting etc. and problems appear, use these methods to solve problems:

All generally speaking not to somebody specific:

1. technical: have you pressed the chin against the chest during tummo? there is a system that regulates the bloodpressure at the sides of the throat. it is stimulated by this bandha and should help to reduce bloodpressure and dizziness.

2. technical: don't press against the pressure you feel, relax into it. a lighter dizzyness is normal and will disappear after a week or shorter, but it shouldn't be disorienting or painful.

3. reduce the amount of energy rising: just hold the breath without contractions and concentrate. the moment you feel a bit uncomfortable, let go. see if you can get a stable cleanness. once the energies enter the central channel you can increase the amount of energy you send up (prolong the time or contract a bit).
be sensitive when you feel that something goes up outside of the channel, because your ability to discharge the energy via feelings and self-expression like constructive aggression (making things clear, give direction to things, stop abusive behavior, etc.) must have time to grow with the amount of energy.

4. increase the ability to discharge: don't be afraid to be weak, be open to discharging feelings like honesty, sadness, crying, laughing etc. giving in to the process will provide a symptom free path. let go of controlling or patterns"being always stronger". power, activity and control are not everything. I know everybody is talking about how to rise kundalini, but its useless if one can not utilise it and develop wisdom. it's just another drug then.

5. biological discharge:

5.a. if energy rises up too fast there is another possibility to discharge for the organism than to fight which is: flight, 45min on the running machine/crosstrainer and the thing is done. natural grounding of energy through the leg and stimulation of the feet through ground contact.
natural

5.b catharsis: this one is funny! find another expression for the feeling than the symptom. try to discharge the muscles, exhaust them until it is gone f.e. in the forearms via wringing out a towel, shouting, hitting a mattress with a racket, act crazy (when you are unobserved) there is a "crazy man yoga"

5c. (congratulation for the erection btw). the organism can often uses another exit to discharge energy which is masturbation. the problem is, if done without emotional commitment, it might end up in discharging the central channel while leaving the rest as messed up as it is, then you are literally f******-up and feel like your arm when your girlfriend slept the whole night on it. texts say to not engage into sexuality when beginning tummo. try it out. and also the opposite.

6. treat it as a symptom: first massage these point circular (KI9 Zhubin) for 3 minutes with medium pressure to come down in a soft way. 4 fingers+2thumbs up from the medial and 1 thumb behind the shinbone: tcmdiscovery.com/upload_pic/E20078221693613.jpg , it's pretty antipsychotic and very pleasant. then use this one: LI 11 www.acupuncture.com/education/points/largeintestine/li10.htm to get clarity in your mind

7. use the exercise in post 165 to correct the flow of up- and down going energies.

8. use the EFT - method of post 201 to get rid of uncovered neurotic or traumatic material.

Will the practice of Tummo by itself lead to enlightenment? Or is it best done as a supportive practice to other techniques: noting, self-enquiry, etc.?

Hello folks. Maybe this quote is useful for someone here.

"In general, any wind may be brought into the central channel through penetrating any of the ten doors. However, during completion stage penetrating each channel wheel performs a different function. Penetrating the crown channel wheel increases the white drops, penetrating the throat channel wheel makes dream practices very powerful, penetrating the heart channel wheel enables us to maintain the appearance of clear light, penetrating the navel channel wheel increases inner fire, penetrating the channel wheel of the secret place induces an experience of strong bliss, and penetrating the channel wheel at the tip of the sex organ enhances the experience of strong bliss and induces a quick, deep, and long sleep."

Clear Light of Bliss, page 32

"Will the practice of Tummo by itself lead to enlightenment? Or is it best done as a supportive practice to other techniques: noting, self-enquiry, etc.?"

tummo is part of what is called "the path of tools" which leads to enlightenment (whatever that means). it is the basic exercise of the 6 yogas of naropa. a lot of people do only this all their life. if you have mastered it, you can go to the other 5 yogas, if you are heading for enlightenment you would choose "illusory body" next, if you need to kill 1000 brahmans first, you would choose "phowa" , etc, etc.

for the "path of tools" it is important that enlightenment is the NATURAL state of mind, attained from a place which is called "Non-meditation" means "not poisoned by the efforts of meditation" (3rd Karmapa). So the "tools" let the needed qualities arise spontaneously (!) in the mind, for example: calmness without shamatapractice, cleanness without'¦ etc., etc. To use the tools for other meditation will work, but is in a sense paradox. (btw Kenneths practices include some of the important mechanisms of these tools, self inquire seems to be a very, very combination with tummo for me, it is related to illusory body)

I've been asked to write something about enlightenment. Ironically I am not enlightened by my own definition, so I can only try to write a bit on how I understand this things.

Emptiness. Realising that there is no Ego and has never been. Trap 1: getting addicted to non dual or lost in shamata (you "will be reborn as a big fish" )) (Kalu Rinpoche))

Liberation. Loss of the Ego. The end of suffering. perception is cleaned from individual stuff. Trap 2: "killing the worm (ego), instead of using it to catch the bird" (t.s.)

Non-Meditation: For me the most beautiful experience, it is sooooo graceful. Trap 3: it is not when your mind starts to do the meditation automatically or unconsciously. it is the opposite. it feels more like you are Harry Potter than a meditator. like if you are born with all this skills, like they would be your birthright. Everything starts working for you. it is all so natural. completely unfabricated. you do nothing, like when you would take a drug and let go. "you" don't have to contribute in ANY way to the experience but you have all the experience.

Space. Realising that space is underlying all things. Trap 4: this space can not be imagined as a big empty room. it is what makes your big empty room possible and is therefore not big and not empty and not a kind of room, has no size and doesn't look black or like the universe. space itself has no attributes because it does not exist. It is more like pure possibility.

- It offers the possibility to be. if something comes into being, there appears the first problem because two things can not be at the same place and therefore arises the first conflict and the rules of logic (thats what is meant by descartes "extensio" and nietzsches "wille zur macht", western philosophy of space is btw higher developed than eastern and less experienced with it)

- Clear light. This space is luminous, what is called the clear light is Trap 5: not shining like a light shines. it is the subtlest of all. the shining is more like it is conscious or a knowing about itself.

-Limitlessness. that something that doesn't exist, can know about itself is expression of that the impossible is possible, and space itself is not limited through logic. Trap 6: it is not limitless in the sense of huge. it is limitless in the sense that it is not limited through logic (what is "a" can not be "not a" at the same time) or rules at all. rules are true for what is existing but not for what is not existing. it can be full of all things and not there at the same time. it is not easy for us to understand it because we exist and therefore follow rules (logic, laws of nature, physics etc.)

Mahamudra. Technique of turning the mind to the "not-existing". It is also a the state (of perceiving the non existing) and Trap 7 a view (of the world) that is taught to students in which everything is a free play of mind and the world a common dream. in a dream everything you see is yourself. similar to that in real life the experience, the experiencer and the experienced are not different. Mahamudra leads to

Enlightenment. Is the felt knowledge that the impossible is possible and happening in this moment. our planet has not appeared 4 billion years ago. it brings itself now into existence. the same is true for you. (past and future are attributes of the existing, but not real) enlightenment is insight into space (and the qualities of space). 1 how it connects everything with everything, 2 into how existing and non existing are possible at the same time (limitlessness) and 3 that it is luminous.

FYI, in Thubten Yeshe's book "The Bliss of Inner Fire" in page 108 he says:

"A woman also has three secret chakras: the secret, middle secret, and tip secret.
For a woman, however, these three are hidden inside her body. The
tip secret chakra, where her central channel ends, is at the end of the
cervix where it opens into the vagina."

And:

"Completion stage tantra also explains that a yogini has a subtle
channel that extends from the end of her central channel, and that
when the male and female organs join, this subtle channel enters the
central channel of the yogi, giving rise to incredible bliss."

"FYI, in Thubten Yeshe's book "The Bliss of Inner Fire" in page 108 he says:

"A woman also has three secret chakras: the secret, middle secret, and tip secret.
For a woman, however, these three are hidden inside her body...."

Perhaps these three secret chakras line up with: "1 how it connects everything with everything, 2 into how existing and non existing are possible at the same time (limitlessness) and 3 that it is luminous.

Just teasing.

But seriously, what do the Tibetan nuns do all day long while the monks are messing about with these interesting energy exercises?

In Awakening the Sacred Body all Tenzin does is talking about bringing up experiences of this and that (how we need to listen more to others, how we feel angry, etc) right before you do each exercise and then imagine how you get rid of those emotions with the breath.

I'm wondering: how do these exercises actually help you and reduce side effects from Tummo?

Hi, i am a little late, but i want to share that the best description of Tummo for me is from "Dakpo Tashi Namgyal" in the book by Garma C. Chang: The Six Yogas of Naropa,
you can find it here, (he writes the name not correct)
www.scribd.com/doc/54084165/Garma-Chang-...achings-on-Mahamudra

"Hi, i am a little late, but i want to share that the best description of Tummo for me is from "Dakpo Tashi Namgyal" in the book by Garma C. Chang: The Six Yogas of Naropa,
you can find it here, (he writes the name not correct)
www.scribd.com/doc/54084165/Garma-Chang-...achings-on-Mahamudra "

In the book "The Six Yogas of Naropa" by Glenn H. Mullin the author mentions that Garma C. Chang made two translations. But it seems at least one has lots of errors as the publisher Snow Lion approached Mullin to create a better version. He writes that Chang's version must have errors in the hundreds from the parts he inspected and adds even some examples how the content got mixed up.

"From what I saw these instructions are missing the exact description what to do with your body and breath, which is the most important part.

I think this is a result of tibetans keeping the essentials of the practice secret and talking/writing only about the visualisations and other less important parts of the practice to mislead curious strangers.

The practice works more or less the same if you don't do the visualisations etc, but not at all if one doesn't do the bodily part. if there is interest i can try to describe it (it is pretty complicated to write it down if one doesn't see and feel it and has noone standing next to him to correct him)"

i would be interested in a longer reply

Sorry guys I've not been online for some time.

I guess I described the techniques pretty detailed in this thread, for those who want to take a seminar by someone who shows scientifiicly proved real attainments I would recommend this www.innerfire.nl/en-home

As far as I know they had retention times up to 3 1/2 minutes after 2 days which is amazing.

Video of a Yogi performing Tummo practices and a discussion about them.



Tibetan Buddhism: Secrets of the Yogis of Tibet - Part 5

The whole video series is really cool

Cheers.

There are also plenty of vids of people doing Maha Bandha. The only difference seems to be that in Tummo you do longer retentions

Ex.