Fascinating New Take on Intelligence
12 years 5 months ago #11179
by Shargrol
Replied by Shargrol on topic Fascinating New Take on Intelligence
Right, if it has enough self awareness to become existential, if it realizes there are unrealized options for it's life, it will likely suffer. And then look out! 
12 years 5 months ago #11183
by Chris Marti
Replied by Chris Marti on topic Fascinating New Take on Intelligence
I suspect that reasoning (the math just happens to work out so that we can see the universe) to be tautological. It's a little like saying, "If my parents hadn't met I wouldn't be here." Of course that's true. Both are true, but we can say that kind of thing only in retrospect. Another way to look at this is that the math and physics we use to describe the universe is also driven by the nature of this universe, so OF COURSE it just works out. There is no math we could ever use that is outside this universe that we inhabit because this is where we are and we have, using the observations we make, figured out that math which describes this universe 
12 years 5 months ago #11184
by Ona Kiser
Replied by Ona Kiser on topic Fascinating New Take on Intelligence
stoner talk!! 
12 years 5 months ago #11185
by Chris Marti
Replied by Chris Marti on topic Fascinating New Take on Intelligence
So YOU say 
12 years 5 months ago #11200
by Eran
Replied by Eran on topic Fascinating New Take on Intelligence
Here's a summary of what David had to say:
Quoting David: "Basically, I think it’s completely nonsense... I’ve skimmed their journal article ( www.alexwg.org/publications/PhysRevLett_110-168702.pdf ). As far as I can tell, no merit whatsoever, although it’s possible I missed smtg. You need to understand thermodynamics, information theory, and control theory to see what they are doing.
Something that is almost equivalent is to attach repulsive magnets to everything. Imagine a stick figure with repulsion on each of its hands and feet. Then it will jump up, and if you push on it, it will sort of dance. This is not intelligent. For one thing, you don’t always want to be standing up, and their thing will always make the stick figure stand. The physics is trivial and the philosophical over-interpretation of it is breath taking.
Oh, yes, also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_cow "
Quoting David: "Basically, I think it’s completely nonsense... I’ve skimmed their journal article ( www.alexwg.org/publications/PhysRevLett_110-168702.pdf ). As far as I can tell, no merit whatsoever, although it’s possible I missed smtg. You need to understand thermodynamics, information theory, and control theory to see what they are doing.
Something that is almost equivalent is to attach repulsive magnets to everything. Imagine a stick figure with repulsion on each of its hands and feet. Then it will jump up, and if you push on it, it will sort of dance. This is not intelligent. For one thing, you don’t always want to be standing up, and their thing will always make the stick figure stand. The physics is trivial and the philosophical over-interpretation of it is breath taking.
Oh, yes, also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_cow "
12 years 5 months ago - 12 years 5 months ago #11203
by Chris Marti
Replied by Chris Marti on topic Fascinating New Take on Intelligence
Doesn't take the fun out of speculating
Funny, too - the author doesn't seem like a slouch: www.alexwg.org -- MIT, Harvard, etc. Doesn't mean he's right, but it could mean he deserves more than a casual dismissal.
"Dr. Alexander D. Wissner-Gross is an award-winning scientist, inventor, and entrepreneur. He serves as an Institute Fellow at the Harvard University Institute for Applied Computational Science and as a Research Affiliate at the MIT Media Laboratory. He has received 108 major distinctions, authored 15 publications, been granted 19 issued, pending, and provisional patents, and founded, managed, and advised 5 technology companies, 1 of which has been acquired. In 1998 and 1999, respectively, he won the U.S.A. Computer Olympiad and the Intel Science Talent Search. In 2003, he became the last person in MIT history to receive a triple major, with bachelors in Physics, Electrical Science and Engineering, and Mathematics, while graduating first in his class from the MIT School of Engineering. In 2007, he completed his Ph.D. in Physics at Harvard, where his research on smart matter, pervasive computing, and machine learning was awarded the Hertz Doctoral Thesis Prize."
Just my humble, ill informed opinion
Funny, too - the author doesn't seem like a slouch: www.alexwg.org -- MIT, Harvard, etc. Doesn't mean he's right, but it could mean he deserves more than a casual dismissal.
"Dr. Alexander D. Wissner-Gross is an award-winning scientist, inventor, and entrepreneur. He serves as an Institute Fellow at the Harvard University Institute for Applied Computational Science and as a Research Affiliate at the MIT Media Laboratory. He has received 108 major distinctions, authored 15 publications, been granted 19 issued, pending, and provisional patents, and founded, managed, and advised 5 technology companies, 1 of which has been acquired. In 1998 and 1999, respectively, he won the U.S.A. Computer Olympiad and the Intel Science Talent Search. In 2003, he became the last person in MIT history to receive a triple major, with bachelors in Physics, Electrical Science and Engineering, and Mathematics, while graduating first in his class from the MIT School of Engineering. In 2007, he completed his Ph.D. in Physics at Harvard, where his research on smart matter, pervasive computing, and machine learning was awarded the Hertz Doctoral Thesis Prize."
Just my humble, ill informed opinion
12 years 5 months ago #11213
by Eran
Replied by Eran on topic Fascinating New Take on Intelligence
Eventually, it's all about what works. If he can create some sort of general AI that works, then great! If he can create a even a better assembly-line robot, that's pretty awesome. Until then, it's all speculation. And speculation is good geeky fun
12 years 5 months ago - 12 years 5 months ago #11214
by Chris Marti
Replied by Chris Marti on topic Fascinating New Take on Intelligence
And there's just so much really effective artificial general intelligence out there to compete with, right?