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13 years 8 months ago #5121 by Jake St. Onge
"man is the measure of all things"--- an ancient point. Everything we experience is filtered through our body-minds, even our empirical perceptions of our brains... Someday maybe we'll have a more humble culture, with greater respect for the infinite expanse and infinitesimal subtlety of Universe, and a more pragmatic/existential approach to knowing. I think the hubristic emphasis on certainty and on having a Big Picture that Explains Everything in Every Way is pretty obviously a defensive compensation for our actual limits as knowers/doers. Without the existential certainty that our is-ness is openness, we search for certainty, for grounds and foundations, in knowledge and action!
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13 years 8 months ago #5122 by Jake Yeager


I think the hubristic emphasis on certainty and on having a Big Picture that Explains Everything in Every Way is pretty obviously a defensive compensation for our actual limits as knowers/doers.


-jake


I didn't know I had limits!
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13 years 8 months ago #5123 by Jake St. Onge
hahahaha ;-)
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13 years 8 months ago #5124 by Chris Marti
" I think the hubristic emphasis on certainty and on having a Big Picture that Explains Everything in Every Way is pretty obviously a defensive compensation for our actual limits as knowers/doers.

It's also a testament to some positive things, like big brains and curiosity. Many good things have come from both urges.
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13 years 8 months ago #5125 by Jake St. Onge
I see the things I mentioned as the opposite of curiosity, Chris!
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13 years 8 months ago #5126 by Chris Marti
Yes, and I don't disagree. But I think that curiosity drives us in positive ways to explain things and create theories and manipulate our world. I see that as sometimes a positive. It's not just hubris that causes us to want to know.
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13 years 8 months ago #5127 by Jake St. Onge
Oh no, of course not. What I'm trying to say is that it is hubris which drives us to *pretend* or *believe* we know more than we actually do. That we really 'know it all', or at least, everything relevant; or that a condition of 'knowing it all' is just around the corner. This seems like a great way to shut down curiosity. Curiosity leads to exploration; to living on the verge between knowing and not knowing. To me, that's where the action is. Not-knowing keeps knowing from becoming hubris; knowing gives not-knowing a useful, meaningful shape (for a time). Not-knowing allows those shapes that knowing enacts to remain open to broader horizons. When knowing and not-knowing are conceived as mutually exclusive opposites, that's when knowing tends to become an overly rigid, over-reaching reaction to the inchoate unknown. Or sumthin like that ;-)
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13 years 8 months ago #5128 by Jake Yeager


Not-knowing allows those shapes that knowing enacts to remain open to broader horizons. When knowing and not-knowing are conceived as mutually exclusive opposites, that's when knowing tends to become an overly rigid, over-reaching reaction to the inchoate unknown.

-jake


I like this. Well-stated! We have absolutely no clue whatsoever what is around the corner. Some people are open to turning the corner while others shrink away because doing so might do irreparable damage to their worldviews.
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13 years 8 months ago #5129 by Jake St. Onge
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13 years 8 months ago #5130 by Chris Marti
"We have absolutely no clue whatsoever what is around the corner."

I'm going to be contrarian and state this differently because I think that sentence overstates the reality -- we DO have a clue, but it is a clue that we that more as an inevitability. What we really have is a series of complex probabilities of various and sundry occurrences.

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13 years 8 months ago #5131 by Jake Yeager


I'm going to be contrarian and state this differently because I think that sentence overstates the reality -- we DO have a clue, but it is a clue that we that more as an inevitability. What we really have is a series of complex probabilities of various and sundry occurrences.

-cmarti


Yeah I think you're right for a lot of the discoveries. They seem to follow from one another, even if they are a reaction to or continuance of a previous discovery. This informs the probabilities. There do seem to be some things that come out of left field however, like the principles found in quantum mechanics. The probability of those being the case might have been close to 0% for those involved. It was like "Whoa! What the hell just happened?!" I think this was because the observations overturned many assumptions within science.
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