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What Is it like to be a bat?
3 years 9 months ago #115133
by Tom Otvos
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What Is it like to be a bat? was created by Tom Otvos
I am not a philosopher. I bleed quarks, breath black holes, and generally have a hard time with "emptiness". So with those credentials, I managed to find this video (through a serendipitous route) about a famous philosophical paper entitled "What is like to be a bat?". I suspect I wouldn't get far in the paper, but this presentation is awesome.
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3 years 9 months ago #115138
by Tom Otvos
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Replied by Tom Otvos on topic What Is it like to be a bat?
I mentioned the above because I seem to be going down a "consciousness" rabbit hole.
It started with Sam Harris who, as you may recall, is my top dharma influencer these days. In his app (Waking Up) there is a section on "conversations" and he had several posted with the comedian Ricky Gervais. Ricky, it turns out, is really, really smart. And, it turns out, they have a separate podcast together called "Absolutely Mental" where they have a lot of conversations about the mind, consciousness, ethics, etc. Really really good and highly recommended.
Orthogonal to this, Ricky Gervais has a brilliant show on Netflix called "After Life". It follows a guy who lost his wife to breast cancer, and how he is dealing with that. Poignant (melancholy?) and funny. Very highly recommended too.
Back to consciousness, however, Sam's wife Annaka wrote a book called "Conscious", where she explores all things consciousness in a very accessible way. And that is where I heard of this bat paper.
It started with Sam Harris who, as you may recall, is my top dharma influencer these days. In his app (Waking Up) there is a section on "conversations" and he had several posted with the comedian Ricky Gervais. Ricky, it turns out, is really, really smart. And, it turns out, they have a separate podcast together called "Absolutely Mental" where they have a lot of conversations about the mind, consciousness, ethics, etc. Really really good and highly recommended.
Orthogonal to this, Ricky Gervais has a brilliant show on Netflix called "After Life". It follows a guy who lost his wife to breast cancer, and how he is dealing with that. Poignant (melancholy?) and funny. Very highly recommended too.
Back to consciousness, however, Sam's wife Annaka wrote a book called "Conscious", where she explores all things consciousness in a very accessible way. And that is where I heard of this bat paper.
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3 years 9 months ago #115142
by Chris Marti
Replied by Chris Marti on topic What Is it like to be a bat?
Tom, since you're into the consciousness hole right now I suggest you read this book, too:
Ten Zen Questions
The author, Susan Blackmore, also has a website/blog about similar things.
Have you ever read anything by Daniel Dennett ?
Ten Zen Questions
The author, Susan Blackmore, also has a website/blog about similar things.
Have you ever read anything by Daniel Dennett ?
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3 years 9 months ago #115144
by Michelle Stone
Replied by Michelle Stone on topic What Is it like to be a bat?
Thanks for posting this Tom, he explains the concepts really well and I'm starting to explore some of his other talks.
Actually the original paper is pretty readable, there's a copy here www.sas.upenn.edu/~cavitch/pdf-library/Nagel_Bat.pdf and it was reprinted in Dennett & Hofstadters The Mind's I, which is definitely worth a read anyway.
God, I used to be fascinated by this stuff, now I hardly know what consciousness is.
Actually the original paper is pretty readable, there's a copy here www.sas.upenn.edu/~cavitch/pdf-library/Nagel_Bat.pdf and it was reprinted in Dennett & Hofstadters The Mind's I, which is definitely worth a read anyway.
God, I used to be fascinated by this stuff, now I hardly know what consciousness is.
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3 years 9 months ago - 3 years 9 months ago #115146
by Michelle Stone
Replied by Michelle Stone on topic What Is it like to be a bat?
Dennett's counter argument from 1991 here:
ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/dennett/papers/wha...like_to_be_a_bat.pdf
Edit: Just realised I cross-posted with Chris
ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/dennett/papers/wha...like_to_be_a_bat.pdf
Edit: Just realised I cross-posted with Chris

Last edit: 3 years 9 months ago by Michelle Stone.