Death and Dying
I've been reading a book by a French journalist named Nicolas Diat called "A Time to Die: Monks on the Threshold of Eternal Life" - he spends time in monasteries around France talking to the monks about death and dying. I'm finding it really moving and honest. Here are a few quotes I liked so far:
“The monks who do well are those who know that we are all a little damaged. In a monastery, we often have a little account to settle with normality”, the Father Abbot confided in me.
"Brother Joseph became incapable of holding a conversation. He no longer knew his own name or those of others. For his part, Father Efflam no longer had control of the threads of his own life, but he had not forgotten anything about those of others. He remained capable of having endless discussions about the history of France and the geography of some distant country. The two men spent their days together. Alone, they were lost, disoriented, unhappy. But when the brother infirmarian placed the hand of one in that of the other, they would go for a walk together on the little paths that surrounded the monastery. In church, Father Efflam and Brother Joseph were recollected, focused. They resembled children learning to pray. In the afternoon, they sat beside each other, always in the same place, and they talked for hours, about everything and nothing."
"If you look after a patient going to bed two hundred times a year, it is difficult to maintain the same attentiveness as during the early days. We are not looking to avoid the facts. The infirmary monks need to be vigilant so as not to transform a brother into a thing they take care of mechanically and as quickly as possible. The risk of commodification of the sick exists. I must pray to keep the strength of my desire to serve awake. Father Andry is Christ. When we come before God, we will be accountable for our charity toward the weakest. I need to know how to lose my time for the sick. In life, giving freely is essential. Christ said that the man who loses his life gains it. When I enter the room, I stroke his hand to revive our brotherhood; and I tell him: ‘Ah, Brother Bernard, you are my brother, my beloved brother, my big brother!’ ”
"he described his vision of the monastic ideal: “Becoming a child implies a change, an effort, real work. This transformation, however, is the indispensable condition for entering into the family of God, into his sanctuary, into the kingdom of heaven, for entering into this game that is the monastic life. But spiritual childhood, of what does it consist? In a word, it is made of simplicity, trust, complete abandonment in the hands of God. . . . Thus, the monastic life is a life made for children. The monastic life is a game, the great game of charity. In a game, it is necessary to respect the rules; it is the same in the monastic life. The monastic life is a game played with God and with those the Lord has chosen to lead to the monastery, those we call our brothers."
"If immediate consciousness can weaken, Dom Forgeot is convinced conversely that “the meaning of prayer remains until the final moment. Prayer is a surrender into the hands of God. How could it stop at the very moment when the encounter approaches? A patient with a brain tumor can no longer say the rosary. But the intention of the act, which consists in wanting to be with Mary, cannot change. The forms of meditation and contemplation change, the essence remains the same. The comatose monk still lives with God. The mystery of death and resurrection is at the center of his life.”
Anyway, just some tidbits.
I have a rather odd fondness for funerals. When I first converted I used to work for a group run by the archdiocese that prayed at funerals in the main cemeteries. I found it very touching, though I found the group very hard to 'get' - a common problem for me here, where there is a social dynamic in large groups that I find mystifying. Anyway, I gave it up after a while out of sheer confusion, but the actual part of attending to the grieving families in the cemetery chapels I thought very sweet. I still enjoy going to funeral Masses. I do wish they would use the Requiem Mass! It's a work of art, and profound prayer. It's been 'updated', like much else. Ah well. I have some friends lined up to sing the old rite for me when I die. I can sing it for them, too.
For reading, I came across this the other night, and which sounds like an interesting experiment:
www.theglobeandmail.com/life/first-perso...ing/article38200712/
-- tomo
I must say it has worked, at least in theory. I am not afraid to die in the abstract, at least. That said, when I was attacked by a dog a couple years ago I fought for my life, on pure instinct. But the attack was also brought on by stepping in front of the dog to protect some kids it was attacking, which wasn't something I thought through, but in hindsight just seemed like the kind of thing I was brought up to do, and that anyone in my family would have done. That to say, how we think about death in the abstract (or in a slow situation like "maybe I have cancer") is likely quite different from dealing with an emergency. There have been times in meditation when I literally thought I was going to die, or when I wanted to die, being either in one of those states of terror that can sometimes arise, or in a longer bout of depression which I seem to have some tendency towards. But that's also different than actually being in a crisis or actually being in the doctor's office and getting bad test results.
Anyway, that article is interesting, Tom. I've heard of similar sorts of practices (Saint Gertrude did something similar, a priest I know said they used to have to do a similar exercise in seminary).
I was thinking earlier today how some people get really freaked out about the end of the world (by whatever causes), and wondering if such a reflection isn't a good idea: If the world were absolutely for sure going to end on Saturday, what would you do differently than you are already doing? Why? Is that really important? Why? That sort of thing.
I don't think I'd do anything differently right now. Not sure if that's a momentary opinion or if I'd say the same in a week. Though it would be nice to touch base with friends to thank them for being part of my life and all that. (A good reminder to myself to do that more often!)
And I too have hoped that mediation might help me with my fear of dying, but really it has just put a finer point on it. Yes, I am now far, far more aware about happiness, and the relative importance of some things over others. Which is not to say I am happy or always prioritize some things over others. But I try not to simply go through the motions anymore, and notice when I do. And which is also to say, I am not ready to die.
The root of my desire to pursue meditation was to discover, and then impart, some kind of wisdom to my children, so that they may lead better, more fulfilled lives. But I haven't (yet), and rather than some Yoda, they think I'm a jerk for limiting their wifi access and screen time. So clearly I have not even imparted on them the wisdom of "relative importance". Much to do, before I die.
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Chris Marti wrote: The abstract fear of death is pretty much gone for me but I'm certain if someone tried to kill me or I was diagnosed with terminal cancer I'd be mightily afraid. As for the experience of death, that's a different animal. After having literally managed my father's last few minutes of life, preventing the medical folks from trying to save him from a heart attack we all knew was coming, I'm no longer afraid of the experience, though I was before that. I'm not indifferent to death but I am more familiar with it now.
The finality of it is what is most disturbing to me.
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Tom Otvos wrote: As it stands right now, there is probably a whole lot I would do differently if I only had, say, 3 months to live, or if I were to die on Saturday. I think that it would be unusual for someone to have their decks cleared for something like that.
This is actually a REALLY good thing to think about and motivate your lived life. The specter of death is probably the most best awesomest teacher ever.
A good life basically means being okay with dying in this minute. I think this is a realistic goal. Unusual, but this whole group here is unusual

-- oops, looks like the link I gave (which was a deep link to a book page) expires after a while... I'll try to find a link to Ken McLeod's one minute death meditation...
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... some are more unusual than others...
I like to think I'm at least a two sigma deviation

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http://yeolde.unfetteredmind.org/retreat-teachings-death-impermanence-3/
For 10 years or so, there was a great radio program on CBC, late at night, called The Signal. The host, Laurie Brown, had this hypnotic voice that I just loved listening to, and she mixed talking with playing generally pretty eclectic (I guess by that I mean not mainstream) music. I suppose it was a show like what you would think of when you hear about late night FM radio "back in the day". Anyhow, sadly, The Signal ended about 2 years ago. I missed Laurie Brown. Well, it turns out, she started up a podcast called Pondercast, which I only just found out about a few days ago. It was through researching that that I came across the article, penned by her, on the experiment of living like you were about to die that I posted here earlier.
I have been listening to the podcast from start to finish now, but initially I just cherry picked a few of the recent episodes based on their titles. And I was going to recommend the podcast on AN because *all* of the episodes I picked ended up having strong dharma components to them. Not officially Buddhist dharma, but anyone familiar with that stuff will recognize it immediately. That was *most* unexpected, and very pleasantly welcome. It was a nice companion to raking leaves. So then I downloaded all the episodes and have been listening to them from the beginning. Interestingly, the earlier episodes are very much like The Signal, only in podcast form, distinctly different from the latest ones. To my surprise, this podcast has been around since mid-2017.
And so, why am I writing about this here? This morning, the episode I had queued up was simply called "Death". It was recorded at the beginning of 2018, and is incredible. I don't know what the universe is trying to tell me, with my recent thinking about death, and then Ona starting this topic, and then this episode pops up. But the person she is talking with here has some really profound things to say that strike some really strong chords with me.
www.pondercast.ca/episode/death
I hope you find it as interesting as I did.
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My oldest son's wife's mom had an aortic aneurysm early this week. She had open-heart surgery for this event on Wednesday morning. She has never woken up, thought still technically "alive" she has little neurological activity and cannot communicate in any way, has no pupil response to light stimuli. It seems the calcification in her arteries, combined with the surgery, caused many brain hemorrhages during the surgery. These two young people now face a life/death decision together. Her mom had a very clear DNR in place so things are made easier, but "easier" under these situations is a ridiculously useless term.
Just posting this here because it's close to being related, I think. It's a reminder. Life is uncertain and can be taken from anyone at any time. we don't think that way which is why death-related practices exist.
-- tomo
-- tomo
One is an abbot saying (as he talks to the author about the different deaths of monks in his monastery over the years) that it's all very nice that we (when we are not suffering) are full of wise advice about suffering. But when you sit at the bedside of someone who is suffering terribly it's best to just shut up and keep them company.
Another was several abbots talking about the challenges of dealing with medical treatment, since the monks usually have a very deep spiritual life, and part of their practice is preparing to die well, and certainly includes many years of embracing suffering and using that as a part of practice, so constantly being hauled off to the hospital or having an emergency team run into the room every time they have a worsening of their condition (for instance, they are just a few weeks from death from cancer, but suddenly have a minor stroke) can be a really disruptive thing to the practice. As can, one said, the tendency of medical teams to want to over-sedate people so that they don't feel anything, which means you can't maintain consciousness. So they have to think carefully about the context, and develop relationships with the doctors in the area hospitals so that they can ask for the monk to come home to die in the abbey, or decide together to stop making heroic interventions when the overall condition is 'going to die soon'.
There were also some interesting details about the burials (some orders do not use names on the graves, because their practice of humility includes not wanting any fame or attention after death either. Some orders don't use coffins, again for the sake of spiritual and material poverty. That sort of thing.
And I really liked the whole continuity of the rituals of prayer during the dying, with the monks taking turns sitting vigil at the bedside. It reminded me of a book I have at home from the 1920s or 30s that has the prayers to say at the bedside of a dying person (for family members, regular lay people to use). It's pages and pages of 'guided meditation' in a sense. I might prefer everyone just be quiet. I know a priest who works full time in a Catholic hospital. He wears a beige cassock instead of a black one, because he said people get too terrified when they see the priest coming, thinking "Oh no! They've called the priest! I'm done for!" He found they tended to panic less if he was wearing beige. I know another one who attends people wearing the standard black cassock. He said they find it reassuring, because they know they are in professional hands, as it were.
The book is interesting and thought provoking, but at times a bit heavy handed. I'll hold off any further comment until I am done.
-- tomo
I think whatever traditional fear of dying I had probably stemmed from all I was identifying with. Who I thought I was, the things I wanted to do, the idea of losing "that". But so much of that has faded away.

Happy Christmas and Prosperous New Year to you all - been a while since I checked in here.

-- tomo