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14 years 10 months ago #502 by Jackson
I just read this article, and want to pass it on to you all...

"The Psychology of Awakening" by John Welwood:
http://www.tricycle.com/feature/psychology-awakening

As most of you know, I find Western psychology and Eastern spiritual practices highly compatible and complimentary. This article provides some great examples of why I believe that practices from both East and West have a lot to offer one another.

I'm planning on picking up Jon Welood's book, Toward A Psychology of Awakening: Buddhism, Psychotherapy, and the Path of Personal and Spiritual Transformation.

-Jackson
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14 years 10 months ago #503 by Chris Marti
I've been reading Welwood's book, Jackson. I highly recommend it!
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14 years 10 months ago #504 by Jackson
Chris, nice! I figured it was going to be good, but having a solid recommendation is always a confidence builder. Thanks :)
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14 years 10 months ago #505 by Chris Marti
From the Tricycle article Jackson linked us to:

"Yet along the way I also discovered something I was not prepared for: that spiritual realization is relatively easy compared with the much greater difficulty of actualizing it, integrating it fully into the fabric of one’s daily life. Realization[/b] is the movement from personality to being, the direct recognition of one’s ultimate nature, leading toward liberation from the conditioned self, while actualization refers to how we integrate that realization in all the situations of our life. When people have major spiritual openings, often during periods of intensive practice or retreat, they may imagine that everything has changed and that they will never be the same again. Indeed, spiritual work can open people up profoundly and help them live free of the compulsions of their conditioning for long stretches of time. But at some point after the retreat ends, when they encounter circumstances that trigger their emotional reactivity or their habitual tensions and defenses, they may find that their spiritual practice has hardly penetrated their conditioned personality, which remains mostly intact, generating the same tendencies it always has."

Bingo!

This is huge for me. This year has been about as ugly for me as a year could be, frought with personal crises, family issues, mental health issues for family members, and so on. It was clear through all that that my practice was helping... to some extent. But my practice did not cure any of this. It did not erase the innate fears, worries, anxieties and anger that have flowed through the mind as a result of these events.

So what good is my practice, you might ask?

Well, I only have one answer: it helps me to see my own crap. If I can see my "stuff" arising, if I am willing to face up to it and deal with it, I can use that insight to adjust to the reality of my situation. I can be honest with myself. I can know how mind works, the habits it has, the tricks it plays. I can use all of that knowledge and insight to work on being smarter, less reactive, more helpful and compassionate.

So I think at its best my practice has brought me wisdom. Visibility into the mind and how it works. It has not cured or otherwise ended my "stuff."
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14 years 10 months ago #506 by Jackson
Great points, Chris.

It would seem that through practice we can realize directly that there's no inherent identity in the habitual contraction that forms around conditioned circumstances. But the habits of clinging, craving, aversion, and delusion don't just vanish into a puff of smoke. Life keeps dishing up the same stuff, and it's up to us to practice a different way of being human. We can practice release. We can place our selves right in the center of the action and be less "caught" by it - not just by knowing the truth, but by continuing the practice that lead to its realization and applying it to all areas of life. And as the article says, moving from realization to integration takes time. I currently believe it's an entire life's work.

I think that if this community has a collective "View," this is probably pretty close to it. What do you think?

-Jackson
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14 years 10 months ago #507 by Dharma Comarade
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"Modern Western culture is marked by social isolation, personal alienation, lack of community, disconnection from nature, and the loss of the sacred at the center of our lives. And the Western self is riddled with inner divisions—between self and other, individual and society, mind and body, spirit and nature, or the guilty ego and the harsh, punishing superego—that were mostly unknown in the ancient cultures in which the meditative traditions first arose."

Okay, "enlightenment" or "awakening" or whatever is good I guess, but maybe there needs to be another word for a much more satisfying and worthwhile accomplishment: which is an ability to take one's awakening along with learned skillful spiritual, psychological, emotional, etc. behaviors and build a way of life that works more often than not to create joy and peace and intimacy.

Now, THAT, is something to aspire to, I think. All these people out there jonesing for satori or enlightenment, or kensho thinking it's some kind of ending, some place of final total coolness -- man, how wrong is that?

What would the word be? I don't know. Not Nirvana, for sure, cause that is just another temporary experience. All I can think of right now is something like "integrated wakefullness" which isn't so great.

So I think this guy is on to something. And the article is basically a tremendous support for what I'm talking about here and have been pondering for months.
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14 years 10 months ago #508 by Chris Marti
Yes, Jackson. I believe that integration of insights, especially the deeper ones, is a life's work. I do not believe there are any shortcuts ;-)
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14 years 10 months ago #509 by Dharma Comarade
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I just read Jackson's post which was posted while I was writing mine just now.

Yes, for now, that just might be the common "view," here.
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14 years 10 months ago #510 by Jackson
Guys, our recent conversations and the material I'm learning in graduate school have really been changing the way that I view this process of realization and integration. It's really exciting! I'm going to have to keep taking notes on what we're talking about, as well as how it relates to other areas of interest, and see if I can't paint a more realistic picture of what actually takes place, and what is actually possible in terms of really embodying this awakening stuff.

I really appreciate you all. Just sayin'.
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14 years 10 months ago #511 by Dharma Comarade
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If a really 'ambitious for enlightenment yogi' were to ask my best advice (which has never happened so far), it would be this:

"dude, as soon as you can please find a way to relax and to have a sense of humor about all this stuff and please stop taking yourself and 'enlightenment' so deathly seriously. The MOST important thing always is to be able to deal with RIGHT NOW with the most lightness and joy as possible -- whether you are 'enlightened' or not."

or, maybe,

"if you want to experience suchness, begin practicing suchness without delay"

(I know I could be wildly misintrepreting Dogen here but right now that is what his suchness quote means to me)
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14 years 10 months ago #512 by sheila
Very interesting reading.



"I can know how mind works, the habits it has, the tricks it plays"

All of the above posts are intriguing. However, (such a negative word, "however," don't mean it to be...hands clasped head tipped forward) these posts address my own personal duality: logic vs acceptance/faith/being. I so enjoy logic and yet the more I know the more Beginner's Mind I lose.

Somehow that also goes back to eyes open or eyes closed during meditation for me.

How does one keep "Beginner's Mind?"
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14 years 10 months ago #513 by Jackson


How does one keep "Beginner's Mind?"

-sheila


Good question. I suppose one way to keep beginner's mind is to not allow yourself to become preoccupied with any of this stuff. Words and concepts are useful designations - a means to an end - a "finger pointing to the moon." If it is helpful, use it. If not, allow it to pass by. In meditation, regardless of what we think we know, it's best to always approach every moment as it really is - a fresh, spontaneous expression of emptiness.
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14 years 10 months ago #514 by sheila
Yes, I like that response....a lot

"every moment as it really is - a fresh, spontaneous expression of emptiness."

Wow, to me, that is an excellent statement of being "centered." Hummm....

Or what I think of as centered...not swaying from side to side... inside my brain as thoughts come and go like crashing waves. Let those waves settle and just be in the moment: floating, as ripples or swells approach and recede.

This I shall think about for awhile...

Thank you, Hipster
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14 years 10 months ago #515 by Mike LaTorra
I just finished reading the article. I agree with Dr. Welwood that spiritual practice -- and even attainments -- can be used as a shield by the psyche (ego process), and a way of avoiding uncomfortable psychological issues. I have certainly seen this in my own case, especially over the past year. Without going into too much personal detail, let it suffice to say that I had been curbing myself and "living in a box" in order to avoid offending, or experiencing disapproval from, someone very close to me. Earlier this year I decided to change the nature of that long-standing relationship. This was incredibly painful, awkward and upsetting to many people, including myself. Yet, it was necessary for me to grow, psychologically and spiritually. In psychological terms, I am more spontaneous, open and sensitive to others. People I have known my whole life have recognized this change and told me so. In spiritual terms, several of my Zen students have remarked on how much more acute and powerful my teaching has become. So, yes, we ought not check our psyches at the Dharma door, but bring them inside with us make them part of our practice.
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14 years 10 months ago #516 by Jackson
Gozen, thank you. Articles are great, but hearing this stuff from dharma companions always makes things hit closer to home. Please keep sharing like this!

-Jackson
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14 years 10 months ago #517 by Chris Marti
"How does one keep "Beginner's Mind?" -- Sheila

Excellent question! For me keeping beginner's mind is an ongoing struggle. An epic lifetime battle. It is best described as taking the realization from my sitting practice that every moment is new and fresh and different (and that what I think is the "same as always" is a mind-generated concept) and applying that to my ongoing existence, again on a moment to moment basis.

Needless to say, this is very,very difficult. What helps is that flash of insight, gained from my early vipassana practice, that the world is constructed and reconstructed by mind all the time. Everything I experience is mind interpreting external phenomena. Mind arranges sensate reality into concepts, models and maps. These things are not the underlying reality, as that is unknowable in a direct way.

If I know I'm always dealing with constructs I have a much better chance of seeing through them, more and more of the time.

Make sense?

Mike LaTorra - I love your coaching on bringing EVERYTHING into our practice.
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14 years 10 months ago #518 by sheila
Yes, Chris, I see that "mind constructs" are logical. Is that the same as preconceived notions or something much more biological that the brain does?


What I have wondered though is if the mind functions in a particular way or if our individual baseline "constructs" are all filtered by our life experiences. In other words, are there constructs that the brain creates or utilizes in such a way that there is a commonality to interpretation that is then colored by experience?

I understand the idea of realizing a "construct" is taking place and then letting it happen, release it, and see what lies underneath.

Yes, difficult but intriguing :-)

There is so much that I am reading here written by you and others whom I do not know, that sparks questions and the need to read and think.

I appreciate this.
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14 years 10 months ago #519 by Chris Marti
"What I have wondered though is if the mind functions in a particular way or if our individual baseline "constructs" are all filtered by our life experiences. In other words, are there constructs that the brain creates or utilizes in such a way that there is a commonality to interpretation that is then colored by experience?"

Sheila, everything in your experience is constructed by mind. There is no other way to experience anything. If you sit really still for a while and watch what's going on you can actually observe this process as it happens. In Buddhism it's called "dependent origination." It's a multi-step process that starts when an object hits a sense organ (ear, eye, nose, touch, taste, mind).

So, in a round about answer to your question, your mind has a whole bunch of pre-conceived models (concepts, thoughts, images, names, maps) that it uses all the time to orient itself. These can appear to you as images, words, and other kinds of thoughts. Here's my personal canonical example: upon hearing the chirp of a bird I first detect the sound of the chirp as it arrives in mind. That is then named "chirp" or maybe "bird" and quickly thereafter an image is generated by mind - a very generic bird image. I then form a judgment about the experience - I like it, I don't like it, or it's neutral. All of this happens very, very quickly, in a matter on milliseconds.

That process is occurring all day long, second by second. Those common images and names and concepts and maps are generated by mind and form what we call "reality."

Helpful?
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14 years 10 months ago #520 by Dharma Comarade
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"What I have wondered though is if the mind functions in a particular way or if our individual baseline "constructs" are all filtered by our life experiences. In other words, are there constructs that the brain creates or utilizes in such a way that there is a commonality to interpretation that is then colored by experience?"

Sheila, everything in your experience is constructed by mind. There is no other way to experience anything. If you sit really still for a while and watch what's going on you can actually observe this process as it happens. In Buddhism it's called "dependent origination." It's a multi-step process that starts when an object hits a sense organ (ear, eye, nose, touch, taste, mind).

So, in a round about answer to your question, your mind has a whole bunch of pre-conceived models (concepts, thoughts, images, names, maps) that it uses all the time to orient itself. These can appear to you as images, words, and other kinds of thoughts. Here's my personal canonical example: upon hearing the chirp of a bird I first detect the sound of the chirp as it arrives in mind. That is then named "chirp" or maybe "bird" and quickly thereafter an image is generated by mind - a very generic bird image. I then form a judgment about the experience - I like it, I don't like it, or it's neutral. All of this happens very, very quickly, in a matter on milliseconds.

That process is occurring all day long, second by second. Those common images and names and concepts and maps are generated by mind and form what we call "reality."

Helpful?

-cmarti


And, this process really can't be explained or discussed and then understood. One has to SEE it.
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14 years 9 months ago #521 by Jackson
I just received my copy of Toward A Psychology of Awakening from Amazon.com . I'm really looking forward to diving into it tonight :)
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14 years 9 months ago #522 by Chris Marti
Did you start reading yet?
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14 years 9 months ago #523 by Jackson
Yes, but not much. So far I really like it. I just finished Ken Wilber's Integral Psychology, and was actually kind of disappointed. I think Welwood has done in one introduction what Wilber tried to pull off in an entire book.
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14 years 9 months ago #524 by Chris Marti
Wow. That's saying something.
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14 years 9 months ago #525 by Jackson


Wow. That's saying something.

-cmarti


Yeah, well I'm exaggerating a bit, of course. Wilber's book said "more" than the introduction of Welwood's book. It's just that Wilber's writing style is needlessly verbose, overtly academic, and annoyingly repetitive. Welwood, so far, just gets to the heart of the matter. He isn't adding superfluous information just to show everyone how smart he is. Nor does he say things like, "For the first time in the history of the universe..." Though, Wilber is known for his grandiose style. It gets on my nerves.
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14 years 9 months ago #526 by Dharma Comarade
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I'd decided a while ago that Wilbur is kind of a fake, was I wrong? My reasons aren't very well researched though:

1. He endorses questionable products like "big mind" and meditation machine things and something I saw on the internet that was some kind of package of books and videos and tapes that was being sold like snake oil.

2. He doesn't have any academic credentials. Is this true or did I make this up? Not that a "spiritual writer" has to have credentials, it seems like he throws himself out there as a kind of scholar type but with no real training. I could be wrong about this. (and, I guess, he makes claims about the nature of stuff without any "studies" to back it up. It's just stuff he thinks.)

3. In his videos he sits in a chair above everyone else and pontificates like some kind of enlightened master.

4. He confuses me.
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